observador , bueno solo queria felicitarte buena investigacion sobre la watchtower y las armas de guerra , en hora buena , y mas que esta apoyado en paginas del gobierno de estados unidos ni modo que digan que lo inventastes . atte guillen diaz.
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observador , bueno solo queria felicitarte buena investigacion sobre la watchtower y las armas de guerra , en hora buena , y mas que esta apoyado en paginas del gobierno de estados unidos ni modo que digan que lo inventastes . atte guillen diaz.
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"NOmbres de los autores" ???????Iniciado por jimmy_herp
Deberias hacerles la misma pregunta a la gente que consume ATALAYA
y DESPERTAD!
Ahi si que nunca vemos los nombres de los (yanquees) que escriben
los articulos!
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A ver, Jorhta y Forastero ... Digan algo ...
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Amigos Guillén, Bat Man, Emeric:
Si yo fuera testigo de Jehová, quedaría absolutamente decepcionado por esta información. Y aquí no pueden decir que no hay datos COMPROBABLES.
Es más. Sé de algunos testigos de Jehová que han escrito a Brooklyn sobre este asunto y no les han respondido. La Watchtower no puede negar la evidencia.
De todos los asuntos turbios de la sociedad lucrativa llamada Watchtower, para mi, éste es el más repugnante. Porque enl as puertas te predican que ellos no hacen la guerra y mira.
En una ocasión le enseñé toda esta documentación, que la tengo impresa, a unos testigos que vinieron a predicarme el evangelio de Brooklyn, y todo lo que se les ocurrió fue decirme que era mentira. Les insté a que investigaran, pero sin recurrir a los ancianos de su congregación. No los he vuelto a ver.
Estar resueltos a perseverar donde se nos ponga; humildad, sumisión y obediencia a las instrucciones que recibimos de la Sociedad [Watchtower]
-- La Atalaya, 15 Junio 1994.Página 29 --
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En efecto, es muy cómodo y fácil taparse los ojos en pleno día, y decir : "Es de noche" ...
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El documento citado aquí dice :
"Rand Cam Engine Corp. es una compañía privada en la que las acciones poseidas según se informan el 50% por la sociedad de la atalaya, una organización religiosa, el 34% de James McCann y el resto otros accionistas. Sr. McCann ha indicado que él donó las acciones de la sociedad de la atalaya a esa organización pero ha conservado un poder de votación para esas partes. Por consiguiente, de acuerdo a las notas (3) y (4) arriba, el beneficio de la propiedad de las 5.073.200 acciones registradas en el nombre de rand Energy Group Inc. se ha atribuido a la sociedad de la atalaya y a Sr. McCann Creemos que sería engañoso y que no proporcionaría claridad a la lista de dueños beneficiados en la tabla las otras entidades y personas discutidas en este párrafo, aunque una lectura terminante de la regla 13d-3 bajo acto de intercambio de seguridades de 1934 puede requerir a cada entidad y persona que se enumerarán en la tabla de la propiedad beneficiados."
Quien sera el señor James Mcccan ? En un buscador se encutran muchos, entre ellos un profesor de Historia de la Universidad de Boston, un cantante, un politicor, un señor muerto en 2001, etc.
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Pregúntaselo a Observador.
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The Watch Tower and the Rand Cam
�The virtual� battle against the Witnesses of Geova does not know pauses. The spiritual usuals �Nefilim� have raised the mail supporting one the most serious accusation how many stucchevole: the Watch Tower Society, legal agency of the Witnesses of Geova, would possess actions of the Rand Cam, one factory of motors for military airplane.
In the previous article we have shown as the Watch Tower has directly explained the happened one through a letter in English (dated November 2002) that we bring back newly translate in Italian:
After to have examined the situation when initially he was raised, we have verified that nobody of the corporations lawyers used from the directive Body for the cure of the interests of the Reign possesses actions in the Rand Cam Corp. or in whichever other company been involved in the development of the motors in issue.
The fact is that two siblings originally been involved in the invention and development of motors, made a private agreement years ago (without to communicate it to us) in order to send a portion of the profits realize you from this activity to the WTS like gift for its world-wide work.
Consequently, circumstances demanded that the rights of property and development came transferred to one holding Company not controlled from they. The WTS has been erroneously listed like shareholder in the information published from the holding ones company and this error has been correct hour. Therefore the accusation is totally false.
Moreover, the WTS has not received no contribuzione as turned out of this it originates them agreement with the two siblings.
The Watch Tower possesses actions of the Rand Cam, one fabrica of motors for military airplane?
Reading the various pages of accusation that appear in Internet, it does not turn out luminosity very as has developed the vicissitude, neither much less it turns out sufficiently clear which it is the relation between the multiple cited companies. According to we this little clarity of our detractors turns out instrumental spudoratamente.
Therefore we have carried out some searches that we go to esporvi.
It seems that a sure Sig. James McCann, that invented a called motor Rand_Cam_Engine, has donated �famous� the actions to the WatchTower.
Of a its privately-owned company (the Rand Cam Engine Corp.) it donated 50% of the actions to the WatchTower, maintaining but for himself the decisional rights and powers (therefore not to lose the control of its company).
Ulterior a 34% of the actions are registered to the same McCann; the odd lot is subdivided between various shareholders.
The Rand Cam possessed and possesses moreover 49% of the Rand Energy Group. The Rand Energy Group, with to the Regi that is consociata of an other company still (the Reg Technologies [that it possesses 51% of the Rand Energy]), originally developed the invented motor from McCann.
Therefore in effects, the Watch Tower possessed half of the actions (without decisional powers) of a company that possesses half of an other company that collaborating with an ulterior company, devised an application for the original motor.
From all this, the galoppante synaptic net of our detractors has developed a series of interconnections that have had turned out following:
The WatchTower is been involved in a business military.
We simplify the speech in order to render the situation mainly clear:
* Tizo = Reg Techn
* Caio = Regi group
* Sempronio = Rand Cam
* PincoPallino = Rand Energy
James McCann invents a motor with an operation system much efficient one; therefore he decides to open a company calling it SEMPRONIO in order to perfect this system. Intuendo to have invented a truly revolutionary system (attention: the system was not invented FOR the soldiers) decided to donate 50% of the actions to the WatchTower. The operating communications maintained for himself all the decisional powers therefore to continue to direct its company without external infuences (all did not come therefore forwarded to the WatchTower).
To this point PINCOPALLINO and McCann (that they are partners), introduce the plan to TIZIO, which extension a lot interested. McCann, PINCOPALLINO and TIZIO collaborate on this new plan in order to construct the motor materially and to put it on the commerce. Part of the agreements previews that McCann sells one quota the rights to TIZIO. The task to commercialize the product comes entrusted of common agreement to one consociata of TIZIO that calls CAIO. CAIO, with the TIZIO support, gains a contract and company a contract with the soldiers.
Result for the insane detractors: The WatchTower supports the soldiers.
In effects anyone has a minimum of obbiettivit�, knowing these information, would understand that the WatchTower enters there little and nothing with the happened one. In order to try to exceed this incontrovertible truth, our detractors have assumed that the WatchTower is mentendo spudoratamente. In fact second they would be incontrovertible tests apt to demonstrate like, contrarily to written how much in the letter of which over, the Society of the Witnesses of Geova is still titular of those actions.
To the end they make a beautiful theorem: if the Watch Tower is still enrolled between the shareholders it means that it has perceived and still it perceives million dollars from the fabrication of crews and tace all in order not to upset the single Witnesses.
We see because these theorems do not resist to taken care of a examination. Some oppositori bring back in their the following pages web information:
1� - Second an official document, in fact, a company American, REGI US INC., is controlled in this way: Rand Energy Group is owned 51% by Reg Technologies Inc. and 49% by Rand Cam Engine Corp. Rand Cam Engine Corp. is to privately held company whose stocks is reportedly owned 50% by The Watchtower Society, to religious organization, 34% by James McCann and the balance by several other shareholders. Mr. McCann has indicated that he donated the shares held by The Watchtower Society to that organization but has retained to voting proxy for those shares.
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Translation:
The group Rand Energy is controlled to 51% from the Reg Tecnologies Inc and to 49% from the Rand Cam Engine. The Rand Cam Engine is controlled to 50% from the Watchtower Society, one religious organization�.
Situated from which they come the these information are that one of the LAST Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). [url]http://www.sec.gov[/url] the Situated official of the USA government for the protection of the investments.
REGI INC. it is a company that it produces, among other things, reaction engines for hunting of Navy (US NAVY). Here some references with regard to:
[url]http://www.theexecutive.com/regtech.asp[/url]
[url]http://www.stock-tracker.net/shownews.asp?id=84[/url]
These facts go back to 1996. In the 2002 entire documentation it has been reconfirmed.
Effectively, they seem given incontrovertible. Quite two link that they say that the REGI produces reaction engines for hunting of Marina! Now one moves, in the mind of the incautious reader, a distorted image: the witnesses of Geova manufacture destruction crews. You seems one reasonable and verosimile what?
This reconstruction, also without to consult official documents, introduces of the points weak people. In the first instance a document of 1996 is cited in which the Watch Tower effectively it is listed between the shareholders of RAND CAM. But it could not are given that from 1996 today the situation is changed? Who knows the social truths knows how much fastly happens the changes. Moreover other successive document to 1996 does not come cited no in which the Watch Tower between the shareholders is still cited. And if it were true that the Watch Tower has perceived millionaire dividends, from some part (in the budgets), would be records to you. But nobody of they introduces one minimal test with regard to.
Possible that no budget from the 1996 today monster flows of money from the REGI or RAND CAM to the Watch Tower? But noticed the frasetta magical that in effects is the stone of angle of the reasoning of our oppositori.
In the 2002 entire documentation it has been reconfirmed.
All confirming! Then it is true that the Watch Tower is shareholder of one factory of motors for Air Force!
Instead it is not confirmed null. We read to the document that they second �confirmation� the guilt. We bring back therefore as it appears in the their pages of situated:
In connection with the Quarterly LAST Report of REGI, Inc. (the �Company�) on Form 10-QSB for the period ending October 31, 2002 as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on the dates hereof (the �Report�), I, John G. Robertson, President of the Company, certify, pursuant to 18 U.S.C ss. 1350, as adopted pursuant to ss. 906 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, that:
1. Have reviewed the the Report;
2. based on my knowledge, the Report does not contain any untrue statement of to material fact or omit to been to material fact necessary to make the statements made, in light of the circumstances under which such statements were made, not misleading with respect to the period covered by the Report; and
3. based on my knowledge, the financial statements, and other financial information included in the Report, fairly present in all material respects the financial condition, results of operations, and cash flows of the registrant as of, and for, the periods presented in the Report.
Translation:
1 I have see again the relationship;
2. on the base of my acquaintance, the relationship does not contain some false declaration of a material fact or it does not omit to declare a material fact necessary in order to rilasciare the given declaration, to the light of the such circumstances under which declaration they have been rilasciate, not misleading with regard to the period covered from the relationship;
3. on the financial base of my acquaintance, statements and other information financial institutions included in the relationship, reasonably present in all the material respect the financial statement, it beginning from turns out you of the operations and the cash flows of recording, and for, the periods it introduces to you in the relationship.
We are citing just the source of our oppositori. You have noticed that between the document cited in English and the translation in Italian fundamental difference is one small but?
Today (june 2003), lacks translate in Italian all first part. Noticed what says:
In connection with the Quarterly LAST Report of REGI, Inc. (the �Company�) on Form 10-QSB for the period ending October 31, 2002.
The declaration is relative to the period that ends 31 October 2002. Other that confirmation! The Watch Tower answers that the situation has been subsequently changed to this date (the letter of the Watch Tower is dated November 2002). Therefore it is verosimile that the REGI had still not brought changes.
But there is more.
The documents that our oppositori cite are case statements. They certify the regolarit� of the money movements and not the share state. Therefore whichever phrase on regolarit� or irregolarit� refers to the management financial institution and not to the share composition. Our accusatory ones would have to introduce something more substantial and theorems do not base to you on financial statements.
But, pushing itself beyond, they make according to theorem and they say:
It is possible that to the WTS they did not know - as hour is attempted to support - of being records to you like share majority of REGI INC.? They do not know all that every donation, bequest or testament must be communicated to the WTS, which must receive copy of the document and be reserved if to accept or less the gift? Where they went to end plusvalenze and dividends? If the WTS figured like shareholder, this had to involve of the returns for the Society. It is possible that the returns are pass to you unnoticed for years or that the WTS did not know and was not asked from where came?
In synthesis, they assert, the explanation of the Watch Tower is little verosimile because not online with the inner norms of the same one that guide contribuzioni and bequests.
In the first place it is from noticing that the processes (we figure the sentences) do not make with �if� and �but�.
But their reasoning is however cervellotico. In fact, even if norms exist and inner procedures that regulate contribuzioni and bequests, are not improbable that they come ignored for forgetfulness or incompetenza. Some times seem that the oppositori more mitizzino the efficiency of the Witnesses of Geova of the same ones.
The truth is made instead of errors, mancanze and problems that go resolved of time in time. Therefore we do not find it hard to believe that the two siblings (witnesses of Geova) have made the agreement and they have not communicated it in shape written to the competent office Watch Tower. And we do not find it hard to believe that the Watch Tower has not taken a dollar from all this. On the other hand we ask ourselves: if it were not therefore, because our oppositori �play� with documents that all say unless to support their accusations? Why they do not show clear tests (like the document of 1996) that they attest the presence puts into effect them of the Watch Tower in the share state of the REGI?
Our oppositori, in their war against the witnesses of Geova, do not leave null of intentato. But we suggest one the greater intelligence. The opposition to God can be lead with more serious arguments, even if then the fine ones will be always the same one.
This is the truth and spiace to see that the love for the controversy and the ideological dissent carries some to share theses risibili and frankly lacking in foundation.
We hope that the sincere persons comprise what are behind all this fight in order �to contradict� the witnesses of Geova and comprise the importance not riporre faith to all which they read but they verify the sources carefully.
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Rand Cam: The force of one not-news
Already we have taken care of the matter Rand Cam in the article the Watch Tower and the Rand Cam. According to an absurd thesis how much infamante, the Watch Tower Society would be partner from 1996 of the Rand Cam Company (hour absorbed from the Regi) that it would have devised a revolutionary motor then acquired the soldiers Americans… and therefore our organization would turn out been involved in a militarbusiness.
In our previous article we have deepened the issue demonstrating like if on one side it were true that the owner of the Rand Cam had decided to donate 50% of the actions (without right of ballot) to the Watch Tower Society is also true that:
1.
it did not come communicated null to the Watch Tower Society
2.
in the 2002 Watch Tower, come to acquaintance of the happened one, it supplied to cancel its shareholding
3.
the Watch Tower did not perceive not even a dollar neither sottoforma of contribuzioni neither of dividends neither of share profits
The Watch Tower possesses actions of the Rand Cam, one fabrica of motors for military airplane?
According to our opinion the issue has been sufficiently deepened. However some readers and some participants to our Forum, having read articles on other situated ones, have formulated some questions. We reassume them shortly:
1. He is in our article that in that one of our detractors says that to the Watch Tower Society they were registered of the “actions” (English “shares”). Since the actions are “quota understood them of a society” com' is possible that the Watch Tower was not any to acquaintance? They will not have compiled modules, forms and quant' other in order to enter in possession of these actions?
2. How never McCann and its associate registers the actions to the Watch Tower Society, while this asserts that instead it only be a matter itself of a private agreement between the first two?
3. It is possible that nobody to the Watch Tower is shrewed of coming from profits and plusvalenze from this operation?
4. How never the documents of the RandCam/Regi say that no change in the share state has not happened and that, if it had been, the administrator would have had it to communicate to the SEC (supervisory body American for the societies of understood them)?
5. How never the Watch Tower is not shrewed that the military contract for motor RAND-CAM has been assigned in 1996? They have made perhaps resorted to the teocratica strategy, mentendo to the siblings in order not to upset them?
6. Why the Watch Tower says not to have received contribuzioni while it would have had to receive “dividends”?
We answer to these questions:
1 - It is spoken about “actions”. But often the Italian private right with that American gets confused. Jim McCann (witness of Geova) taken the decision to give to part of the profits to the Watch Tower Society placing 51% of the Rand-Cam in society with the Watch Tower and vincolando the profits at the moment in which she would have caught up its sold scope and all.
But attention! “Action”, in this case, does not have the same sense that we give to it in Italian. From we for “action” the “quota the understood one them of a society” agrees generally, cioé is equivalent to cash, and therefore it is spoken “to sell, to acquire actions” (De Mauro 2000). In our right “actions” are not previewed that they do not correspond to “fruibile” understanding them. (The Treccani Small, Institute for the Italian Encyclopedia Giovanni Treccani, Rome 1995, vol. 1, p. 924). In the system of the common-law, instead the figure of “share” is previewed that it is not a credit title it.
The De Franchis (vol. 1, p. 1354), say: “the actions are not considered neither from the English ordering, neither in that North American tito them of credit and neanche negotiable instruments (v.), but bearer shares (the v.)”. In Italy “bearer shares”, that they would be - translate - the “actions” are to the bearer not previewed (does not explain the same source). Therefore, online general, than it is spoken about “shares” does not say null approximately the fact that this title it corresponds to a possessed quota or to a credit to receive from who it emits it.
In this case they would be “actions” that it straight gives to a dividend when the operation financial institution totally is concluded. They do not involve an acceptance of receiving that only in case of “dividend” it comes informed.
1. The agreement of giving the profits of the Society in the measure of 50%, was discussed inside about the Rand Cam. Once that Jim McCann had concluded its operation would have yielded physically the actions to the Watch Tower that therefore could have embedded the credit.
2. Therefore he would have been like one risen of “contribuzione”. Registering actions to the Watch Tower was a way in order to guarantee this “contribuzione” in the future.
3. The first two answers comprise also this Are obvious that nobody to the Watch Tower knew null of this.
4. It is not at all true that documents REGI do not say null. The relative documents you the share state have been vary to you. But those that come shown in the situated ones of our oppositori are not relative documents you the share state of the REGI but statements of case. That it is much various one!
5. The Watch Tower is not obviously shrewed of null because the two founding associates of the Rand Cam have not reported null the same one. Here because! All it has happened to the insaputa of the Watch Tower. Nobody menzogna and no resource to the so-called one (of it we will speak in a successive article) “teocratica strategy”.
6. In effects the result of this operation financial institution would not have involved “dividends” but contribuzione of the McCann to the Watch Tower Society would have been one. The fact that the McCann has intestate of “shares” (sets in action) without ballot right (term, as we have seen, that it does not go confused with the “actions” of the Italian market) sure had effectiveness in the comparisons of the other associates. Practically the McCann wanted sure that once to be completed the operation financial institution its contribuzione arrived to the Watch Tower. In order to take this guarantee it used a typical shape of the market American.
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